If..Else Log

I am Not Dave Shea

Dave Seah1 tries his best to convince people that he did not write the Zen of CSS Design.

My name is…

I especially empathise with the section on surname pronounciation. My surname is Chinese and, as with Dave, through the process of roman transliteration, some linguistic information has been lost along the way as you try to do a 'best fit'. In the case of my surname, Ly, it's pronounced with an e' sound i.e. closer to 'Lee' than 'Lie'. The reason it has been spelt that way is because with Chinese, small intonations result in different words2. Hence, Ly was the best judged match which would also allow some differentiation from Le, Li and Lee etc…

I'm generally quite pragmatic and I've accepted that people will read it as 'Lie'; sometimes, in the interest of getting things done, I pronounce it as such over the phone just so as to speed things up. However, you'll earn yourself gratitude points if you get the pronounciation right:)

In addition, my first name, Phu, is pronounced Foo3. Fortunately, most people get this right but I've been called Poo and Pe'Hoo before in the past.

A slight digression

There's an episode on Friends where one of the guys that Chandler works with, calls him by a different name. Chandler doesn't correct him as it wasn't worth the hassle especially as they don't work together. However, when the guy applies for a position on his floor, problems begin…

I actually had a similar thing happen to me in Uni. There was a guy who would think that my first name was Lee4. The only times we'd meet were really just the occasional bumping into each other in the corridor so I didn't bother raising the issue. However, we ended up having a class together which made things a bit more awkward. Somehow, I managed to make it through the whole semester without anyone the wiser… I'm awful, I know.


  1. Note the surname [back]
  2. analagous to the homonyms that exist in English language such as accept and except [back]
  3. Notice the programming parallel. I was born to be a geek:) [back]
  4. Ironically, in Chinese, you'd name a person in the following manner: Family name, Generational Name, Forename instead of the western convention of Forename, Middle Name, Family Name. So I'd be Ly Phu Cuong (Yes, Cuong is actually my forename in Chinese; it's all a bit of muddle:-)). [back]

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6 Responses to “I am Not Dave Shea”

  1. Gravatar Zach Inglis January 14th, 2006 7:16 pm

    Two of my best friends are Li and Lee’s. I guessed how to pronounce your surname from the start.

  2. Gravatar Chris January 14th, 2006 7:26 pm

    Yeah, me too, I’ve never had a problem with Phu Ly but how the heck do you say Cuong?

  3. Gravatar Phu January 14th, 2006 7:41 pm

    “how the heck do you say Cuong?”

    The anglicised way of saying it would be ‘Kong’ though in Chinese, it’d sound a bit more like Kerng. Personally, I think it’d be better written as Keung but that was how it is spelt on my Birth Certificate so there you go.

    Which brings me onto the other point which I forgot to mention before. Technically, Cuong would be my ForeName. A bit of confusion meant that Phu has stuck as my official first name to the rest of the world (i.e. everyone outside of my family).

    I think I’ll stop there as everyone will be well and truly confused by now:)

  4. Gravatar Dave January 14th, 2006 7:42 pm

    I never made the connection with Lee and Ly…something new! Of course, I can’t speak any asian languages worth a darn either. Oh, the shame I bring on my family! :-)

    Cuong is a cool one…I’d guess like Kwong. How many basic surnames are there anyway?

    edit: thanks for the shoutout! and for using so many plugins that I must NOW POSSESS!!! :-)

  5. Gravatar Chris January 14th, 2006 8:04 pm

    I think I’ll stop there as everyone will be well and truly confused by now:)

    Mmm, yes best you just stop there before my head pops off. :)

  6. Gravatar If..Else Log January 15th, 2006 1:47 am

    A brief history of names

    Some thoughts on names; where they come from, how are they constructed across the world and some words about my own.